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Judge duct tapes man's mouth shut
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| Yes, Judge McDermott was justified in the duct taping. We must have some semblance of order in our judicial system and there was no harm done to Mr. Frazure. It was better than having him removed from the court room. We Mollycoddle our prisoners too much as it is. | |
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April 23, 2009
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| i think the judge had every right to do what he did.he would have to make him very mad.i think its time that people do something to people who dont listen to the judge.i think its funny that he made the judge so mad that he donee that.cause he the judge is one of the best we have.and for thisman to make him so mad that he done that is funny.hes lucky thats all he done to him he could have him return to jail and not return untill he was under control.RIGHT ON JUDGE MCDERMOTT. | |
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April 23, 2009
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| Good work for the Judge. Need any more tape? | |
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April 23, 2009
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| Yes he was justified! Did you also know it made national news? I found it on foxnews.com's website under their most read stories. | |
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April 23, 2009
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| Yes, this story went national on Wednesday. It was picked up by over 100 newspapers across the country and was also at msn.com's homepage. I got a call from Inside Edition in New York yesterday wanting photos! It is amazing the way these stories spread like wildfire. | |
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April 23, 2009
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| I find this quite humerous, maybe now people will start to show some respect toward authority figures. It seems somewhere down the line we have forgotten how to. | |
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April 23, 2009
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| Ditto! What a humorous relief from the duldrum and depressing news we get all the time. This story made my day. From what I know of McDermott, he is a really patient guy, easy to talk to and very cordial. This kind of audacity on his part just puts a smile on my face. | |
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April 23, 2009
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| If I have seem this done on those TV courts programs I would probably had laugh too. But this is real life. This is not a way to gain respect for our courts and Judges. Frasure should have been removed from the court, order to go under psychiatric evaluation, and put on medication if needed. Another day would have been set up for a new hearing. Don't you have any compassion for the mentally ill? | |
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April 23, 2009
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| To Inca: The ISJ editor put it best when he said "hindsight is 20/20." This was probably not the best way for the Judge to handle the situation, but it wasn't that absurd either - especially if you know McDermott, and the delightfully genial (and incredibly smart) man he is. | |
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April 24, 2009
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| I don't think the judge really had a choice. In order for the case to proceed, order has to be gained in the courtroom. It also allows the defendant to be present to hear the case against him. Even if he isn't paying attention. It seems to be a n o win situation for all involved, but it was the right thing to do. | |
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April 24, 2009
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| Has anyone ask him why he feels the way he does about his Mother? He was 7 when his dad was MURDERED by, I believe her boyfriend and she knew what was going to happen. She was setting in the parking lot of the motel she went to meet her boyfriend at. | |
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April 24, 2009
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| TO Ike. I don't know Judge McDermott. He may be smart but in this situation he didn't handle Frasure appropriately. I hope this is the last time a judge acts like those from those TV programs. | |
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| Perhaps the reason why he feels the way he does about his mother is because people like you keep spreading this crap. When we're told a story over and over, especially from such a young age on, we tend to start believing it. The problem I have with your post is that it has only half truths in it as well as it leaves people with the idea after reading such a thing that his mother had something to do with the murder of his dad. She had nothing to do with the planning and/or executing of that murder. You're right, Nicklas was only 7 yrs old at the time of the murder. Infact, he had just turned 7 less than a month before the murder happened. Although Connie had been to the motel, she was NOT in the parking lot when the shots were fired. Not only that, but Connie didn't know any more than what Nicklas' dad already knew and that was that Mike was making threats to kill him. Connie was actually the one who went to Nicklas' dad to tell him about the threats. Just so you know, Connie had also received threats against herself as well. One more thing, the coward responsible for the murder was NOT Connie's boyfriend at the time, he was an ex-fiance. So the next time you want to spread stories, especially this one, make sure you have all the facts straight before doing so. As we all can see, the effects of such stories can be devastating. | |
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| Does anyone know how I can obtain court documents that might include Frasure's "outbursts"? Are there other sites that have reported them in more detail? I am interested in this as I am invested in researching victims rights cases. Thank you for any help you can give... | |
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| Perhaps the reason why he feels the way he does about his mother is because people like you keep spreading this crap. When we're told a story over and over, especially from such a young age on, we tend to start believing it. The problem I have with your post is that it has only half truths in it as well as it leaves people with the idea after reading such a thing that his mother had something to do with the murder of his dad. She had nothing to do with the planning and/or executing of that murder. You're right, Nicklas was only 7 yrs old at the time of the murder. In fact, he had just turned 7 less than a month before the murder happened. Although Connie had been to the motel, she was NOT in the parking lot when the shots were fired. Not only that, but Connie didn't know any more than what Nicklas's dad already knew and that was that Mike was making threats to kill him. Connie was actually the one who went to Nicklas's dad to tell him about the threats. Just so you know, Connie had also received threats against herself as well. One more thing, the coward responsible for the murder was NOT Connie's boyfriend at the time, he was an ex-fiance. So the next time you want to spread stories, especially this one, make sure you have all the facts straight before doing so. As we all can see, the effects of such stories can be devastating. | |
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April 28, 2009
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| How can you say this is justified. The man is mentally ill and duct tape is painful when removed. If he's such a disruption he can be removed from the hearing. This is abhorrant in my view as a mental health professional, and a human. | |
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| The man could have been removed from the court room. Yes a judge has to have controll of the court room, but the duct tape? It just does not sound right, If the man is mentally ill, then he should have the proper medical treament. But the duct tape went a little to far. If done in other situations would it also be accepted? | |
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| I was saddened to read most of the responses on Nick Frasure's being duct tapped in the court room. While I sympathize with why Judge McDermott did what he did, I do not agree with it. Nick Frasure was a Client of Cedar Health Center for several years. He suffered with severe Mental Illness. He does pretty well when he is on his medications. When he is off his medications his thoughts become disorganized (like his speech) and he makes no sense when he is trying to talk. He loses his judgement and therefore had no respect for Judge McDermotts authority. If he had been on the proper medications he would have been able to sit in the courtroom and obey the rules. Sadly this is an example of what happens to people who are sick and do not get the Medications they need. Nick Frasure is suffering. In Judge McDermott's Court Room he had as much control over his behavior as a diabetic has over his blood suger when no insulin is available. Nick used to go to Cedar Health Center for his Mental Health Care. Cedar Health Center provided free medications and counseling to him for over two years. Cedar Health Center closed two months ago. In the Article it was written that Mr. Frasure's behavior became bizarre in the last 2 months. Perhaps that is because he had no meds. Had Cedar Health Center been open it is possible he wouldn't have wound up in jail. If he had gone to Jail Cedar Health Center would have delivered his meds to the Jail free of charge. Had that happened, Mr. Frasure would never have been so out of control in Judge McDermott's Courtroom. So sad. Nick Frasure was a human being who needed medical attention and psychiatric attention instead of duct tape. Kathleen Werner-Leap, Founder and Director of the Former Cedar Health Center. | |
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| Heck yeah, this was a good story. I don't really get what all the fuss is about, this is hillarious. I guess i might be running the risk of sounding like a nazi but if this guy is as "mentally ill" as all of the people upset about this are saying he is then I doubt he gives a crap about it anyway. On the other hand, I have a three year old cousin who can be quiet for five minutes and, i'll be damned, the kids never had duct tape on his mouth. We are talking about an adult that like my cousin needs to understand that when people who have better things to do are trying to get down to buisness the children and childish must shut their traps. The guy isn't drinking through a straw or anything he was just acting out to play up the whole competency thing he had going on. I also enjoyed all of the dids and dones ealier. ohhh the public forum. | |
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| I am a fan of McDermott, but lately some of his actions surprise me. Implying that "goth" clothing constitutes deviant behavior, and duct taping the mouth of a mentally ill member of the community seems sensational at best. I believe that standard procedure is to remove the individual from the courtroom, not humiliation and discomfort thrust upon someone who clearly is not in a healthy state of mind. While it may be humorous and effective, I do think that a line was crossed. As far as goth clothing being indicitave of deviant behavior... individual expression is far from a crime or indication of crime. Just my opinion and I still give much credit to McDermott and his service to our community. Great posts everyone! | |
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