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Both Clinton and Obama have clearly vocalized a desire to remove troops from Iraq, and that a withdrawal of troops from Iraq IS NOT defeat - and therefore, I guess, a means to victory. Could somebody explain this logic to me? I phrase this in a sincere desire to understand, and not in a manner that mocks the two Democratic rivals.  Nevertheless, I have to say that this strikes me as counter-intuitive.  Since when has ANY war been won by a permenant retreat?
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