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Tasers and Stun Guns

Tasers and Stun Guns

 

Those of us who were required to go to graduate school for a few years will remember the research methods classes we had to take. I at least, was taught that although I might have an assumption based on some observation, I still needed to design my research to test whether the assumption was valid or not.

Sunday, March 9, 2008, I read an article in the Idaho State Journal by Dr. George W. Katsillometes, entitled, “THE TRUTH ABOUT TASERS, BRO”. Dr. Katsillometes doesn’t seem to have taken the same research methods class I did. He claims to have done some research for his article, but uses emotionalism to try and convince readers that tasers are so dangerous and life threatening that even the police should not be able to use them.

In one case he points out that tasers convey 50,000 to 1 million volts into the body of the individual being hit by the taser prongs. Now, we all know that 50,000 to a million volts is a lot of volts. Just imagine being hit by that many bullets or being run over by a 50,000 pound truck or a million pound train and you may get the idea that his article was trying to convey.

So, 50,000 to a million volts is pretty bad, right? People who regularly work with electricity tell me that volts don’t mean much until you combine them with watts and amps. Using the 50,000 volts figure, these tasers are also putting out 18 watts and 133 milliamps. Although that is enough to incapacitate an individual it is no where near the deadly charge that Dr. Kasillometes wants us to think it is.

So exactly what does a taser do to someone who has been shot by one? It causes Electro Muscle Disruption (EMD). Basically, it disrupts the central nervous system and all conscious thought is overridden by subconscious thought in order to protect the nervous system from further perceived damage. The individual falls down, is probably panting and shaking uncontrollably allowing police to safely take him or her into custody without any further threat to police, bystanders or the individual.

Dr. Katsillometes also claims that security professionals and martial arts experts have expressed doubts about the effectiveness of these weapons against determined assailants. So, let’s pause here for a minute and think this through. On the one hand he wants us to believe that these weapons are so dangerous that even the police shouldn’t have them and then he says that Security and martial arts experts doubt their effectiveness. Which is it Dr.? Actually, since I taught a self defense class at Texas A&M University I will answer that question from my own experience. I recommended to my students, particularly women, that carrying a stun gun that does not fire prongs with a wire attached, but consists of a hand held device with two metal electrodes that are pushed into an assailant, probably was not normally their best option. My reasoning was that they had to get close to their assailant and that these types of devices had to be continually held against the assailant for several seconds before incapacitation occurred. I was afraid the assailant, who would probably be bigger and stronger would be able to take the stun gun away and then use it to incapacitate his intended victim. Personally, I have always differentiated between stun guns and tasers.

Others who have responded to Dr. Katsillometes's article have mentioned that no wrongful death law suit against taser manufacturers has ever been successful and that most of those deaths were attributed to other causes such as drug use etc.

Although I have never personally used a taser on anyone, several experiences that I had as a volunteer patrolman for the College Station, Texas, Police Department have convinced me that in the hands of officers trained to use them, tasers have made police work safer for the police, the community and the individuals the police have to deal with.If Dr. Katsillometes had done his research properly instead of trying to use emotionalism, I believe he would have come to a similar conclusion.      

 

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posted by mbogo on Monday, March 10, 2008 at 11:46 AM
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posted by MAXINE on Mar 10, 2008 at 07:24 PM

Good article - - I have just one question - what about the stupid person behind a stun gun?  The example I am thinking of is a father who took his baby and held the child hostage.  The officer fired the gun at the father - who drop the baby - as a result of being dropped the child suffered head trama ? ? ?

posted by mbogo on Mar 10, 2008 at 09:19 PM

Hi Maxine,

Since I don't know the circumstances behind the incident you describe,such as was this a domestic dispute, was the father armed, did he threaten to harm the baby or anyone else and then proceed to carry out the threat, was he on drugs or did he fail to take medicine that would have made him more calm and cooperative etc., I can't comment fairly on the officer's conduct. Knowing what I know about officer training, I tend to believe the officer felt that the father had to be stopped and the stun gun or taser was his best option. Sometimes officers are faced with situations where tensions are high, a decision must be made quickly, and they act accordinly to protect themselves, the public and even the perpetrator they are dealing with.

When innocent third parties are injured during an incident between police and those with whom the police are dealing, there is always an investigation to see if anyone should have acted differently and what can be learned from the experience so that similar situations will be handled better in the future.

If the baby was seriously injured, I'm sure the responding officer or officers felt pretty bad, but i'm also sure he or they did the best they could under the circumstances.

You might contact the department that handled the case and ask if any procedures were modified or changed because of the incident. They probably won't comment on any specific officer because of confidentiality concerns.

posted by rs1yo2al2 on Jun 4, 2008 at 11:06 AM
My wife was sexually attacked.  The guy who attacked her was a friend of us.  She used her 100000 volt Stun Gun on his genitals. He was sent to the hospital. We found out that he was seriously injured. He told the Doctor that a high voltage wire hit him there. The Doctor said that he may not have sexual feeling again due to nerve , and muscle damage. He was urinting on himself. No police was called. But our friends wore. He said to them that he was druck, but he remembers what he tried to do. He said he was sorry. I said that if robbed a bank and get arrested, wound I be able to keep out of prison if I say  I'm sorry.  NO! He got what he deserved. She now has a 300000 volt stun gun.
posted by Sam on Jun 6, 2008 at 11:34 AM
Sorry I have to disagree The problem with guns or tasers is you cannot teach experience. I feel no officer should carry a gun or a taser until they have 15 years experience and then only with an older officer. When I was younger I helped out with a wrecker company and more than once we had to pull officers out of the ditch because of driving and shooting out the window. The only people that should carry tasers are ones that you can teach a little common sense, and just because you are a cop doesn't qualify you. I read your qualifications and I'm sure you disagree but your dealing with people's lives and that is a lot of responsibility.
posted by mbogo on Jun 6, 2008 at 04:49 PM

Driving and shooting out the window? Are you serious?  I suspect you have been watching too many movies. That is not what is taught at police academy. However, the discussion was concerning the use of tasers or stun guns. Tasers have proven to be an excellent intermediate weapon for the police when less than lethal force is called for, but the subject has become combative. It is always preferable to use only the force necessary while protecting the officers, the public and the perpetrator too.

Since the criminals are carrying weapons, it would be insane to make a police officer go unarmed, but I'm sure you could get the criminals to agree with you.

posted by Sam on Jun 9, 2008 at 04:57 PM
Tv. This is Bannock county where we have a officer that goes by the nickname "Zipper" and was been known to shoot up his own house. Another isp that transfer ed up north after his second poaching charge. What about the pdd officer robbing the stores he was supposed to by watching and the only officer killed (a dog) in the last 20 years shoot by a Bannock county officer. We will not mention the ppd officer that threatened to kick that lady's scapula for pulling out in front of him or the officer that fell off a porch running from the perp, or the one in lava fired for selling dope. Yes officers shooting out the window at jack rabbits up Crystal springs road, I laughed til I was sick at the stupidity of it and then hooked up the wreak er and pulled them back on the road. You don't need movies realty is strange enough. Now when you say criminals which ones are you referring to.  You are right this isn't whats taught, but it is what happens with young and inexperienced officers. I am to blame for not getting off my behind and working to help find a answer to this problem. We need to teach common sense. Bannock county also have some very caring officers that go above and beyond what the job calls for, but way to many of the other.
posted by mbogo on Jun 12, 2008 at 02:21 PM

Although no officer you describe would still be working as a police officer after the kind of stunts you say occured, you are getting off the subject again. The subject was Tasers and stun guns as an intermediate weapon for police and the general public.

You seem to have a very bad attitude toward police officers. I think I know why, but  I do not have access to the information I would need to verify what my experience has taught me.

If you have additional thoughts on the original subject, let me hear from you.

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