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MichaelStrickland - > Michael Strickland -> Hatch to Romney: Discuss Mormonism (and Romney's religion won't be spared in YouTube debate)
Hatch to Romney: Discuss Mormonism (and Romney's religion won't be spared in YouTube debate)
USA Today reports that Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney probably should give a speech to declare he's not a captive of the Mormon church, Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch said Tuesday.

"There's a concern that his religious beliefs might interfere with serving all people. There's no question they do not," said Hatch, also a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. "He needs to put that problem to bed."

The full story is at:

http://www.usatoday.com/new...

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This follows my earlier post:

GOP leaders to Romney: Talk about your Mormonism

A new survey shows Republican leaders want Mitt Romney to give a speech addressing his Mormonism, even as a prominent evangelical supporter is urging fellow Christian conservatives to look past the religion of the former governor.

In a National Journal survey of 83 GOP "insiders," who include lobbyists, party activists, and strategists, 59 percent said they wanted Romney to give a speech soon on his religion, like the one John F. Kennedy delivered in 1960 on his Catholicism before he was elected the nation's first Catholic president. When the Journal polled 79 Democratic insiders, 44 percent said they believed Romney should give such a speech.

Romney spokesman Kevin Madden said in a statement Thursday, "Governor Romney has previously said he was considering addressing the issue of faith and values, but he has not yet made that decision. The decision is a personal one that remains under consideration."

For the full story, see:
http://www.magicvalley.com/...

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That post created the following dialogue:

posted by marci4tony on Oct 26, 2007 at 11:08 AM

Its a shame there is so much emphasis on RELIGION and less emphasis on VALUES...

The two should NOT be confused at this time.

posted by nilseninc on Oct 26, 2007 at 04:45 PM

religion, such as mormonism determines and shapes your values. if you are a "true mormon" your values would be as the church teaches... therefore people wanting to know about your religion is a common thing, especially in mormonism because it is a newer religion and people do not know much about it. the things people do know are mostly wrong too.

posted by mbogo on Oct 28, 2007 at 09:55 PM

I think a candidate's values ought to be a major consideration as well as qualifications and past accomplishments. I am very familiar with Mitt Romneys values and am pretty comfortable with them. His personal accomplishments in business, in saving the Salt Lake City Olympic Games and as Governor, are more impressive than anything any of the Democratic candidates can claim. Rudy Giuliani is another candidate who has proven himself capable in tough or even crisis situations,but he isn't as conservative on some issues as I would have hoped. Fred Thompson sounds like he has a pretty good understanding of the qualifications nessassary for the job. I like John McCain also, but am not sure I would be comfortable with him as President.

It seems to me that if the Republican Party can produce Three or four candidates that really have some impressive qualifications and accomplishments as well as values most Americans believe in, the Democratic Party ought to be able to be able to do like wise. So, why don't they do so? Surly the Democratic Party has more qualified leaders than the ones who are currently campaining for their party's nomination.

What do you think Michael?


posted by MichaelStrickland on Nov 8, 2007 at 04:04 PM

Mbogo,

You are correct that the Republicans have a slate that clearly seems more presidential than the list of Democrats who seek the oval office.

The Guiliani's and Romney's of the world have shown that they have clear, battle tested credentials to lead the nation.

They can unify and make clear, tough decisions.

I can't say this about Obama or Hillary.

And talking about one's faith should be as integral to a person as talking about anything else in their life.

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There is also this story:

Romney's religion won't be spared in YouTube debate
If Mitt Romney is elected president, will he let the president of the LDS Church dictate what to do?
    That is one of the several questions YouTube users have submitted for the first Republican presidential debate featuring questions from the online video site. CNN, which will air the debate today at 6 p.m. MDT, has yet to say what videos it will show during the forum but several user-produced questions have keyed in on Romney's Mormon faith and how it affects his race and his potential presidency.
    David, of Las Vegas, sat in front of a camera and recorded his question wondering how Romney would deal with orders from leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
    "If there were instruction or directive given to you from Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley, if you took office, to say, ignore illegal alien issues or something else that you campaigned on, would your loyalty go toward your campaign promises or would it go toward the will of the prophet?" David asked.
The full story is at:
http://www.sltrib.com/news/...
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As I alluded to in the earlier dialogue, my sentiments on the matter coincide with those of Senator Orrin Hatch. It is also very clear that David from Las Vegas (in the Salt Lake Tribune story above) asks a valid question. It will be interesting to hear Romney's answer.
-- Michael
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posted by mbogo on Nov 29, 2007 at 09:52 AM

I won't even try to answer questions about Mitt Romney's faith. He should be given the right to answer those questions himself if he desires to do so. I would like to point out though, that if you understand the teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and also are familiar with Romney's record, you will find several views that he has championed and several decisions that he has made that at least on the surface seem to be in conflict with the teachings of his faith. Personally, I don't think Mitt Romney worries as much about what the church teaches when he has a dedecision to make as he does about what he feels is right or the best course to pursue. He seems to have an internal, moral compass that serves as a foundation for his views and decisions. I'm not particularly concerned that his faith  probably influences that internal , moral compass.

Also, just for the record, the leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints have never individually or as a body, tried to tell the Preident of the United States or any political candidate what they should believe or do. They have simply counseled the members of the church to be informed and to try to make wise decisions concerning who they should support for the various political offices.

posted by thereptilians on Nov 29, 2007 at 12:57 PM
Unfortunately in America, a candidate has to have the correct religious affiliation to be elected to public office. You don't currently, and won't likely in the near future see an atheist candidate supported for any office here in the United States. A person's religious faith should not have any bearing on whether or not they will make a good leader for the public in general. The persecution of homosexuals in America can be directly attributed to the religious faith of those making legislation in this country, and that issue alone can determine whether someone is elected or not.  This is even more of an issue in conservative states such as Idaho. Religious persecution has been accepted as the norm in America, and I think it is very unfortunate, and reflects very horribly on our culture as a whole. Romney's faith shouldn't be under any more scrutiny than that of the fundamental Christians who hold the majority of the power in this country. All faith is based upon completely unfounded fairy tales, and if society as a whole could break free from this type of mental enslavement, we'd be a lot better off as a species. I personally cannot think of anything beneficial that is bestowed upon humanity by religion that cannot be acquired through simple use of common sense in your analysis of this world (morals). And common sense itself is destroyed through religious faith as it is forced upon people as children, teaching them to accept information without any type of investigation as to that information's validity.
posted by MichaelStrickland on Nov 30, 2007 at 07:58 AM

mbogo wrote:

"... if you understand the teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and also are familiar with Romney's record, you will find several views that he has championed and several decisions that he has made that at least on the surface seem to be in conflict with the teachings of his faith."

I thought I saw this happening also. But I really didn't follow the decision making closely enough to be clear about what exactly Romney did. For example, was it Romney or the activist judges who made Massachussetts the first state to allow gay marriage? What was Romney's role in that particular legal decision, if any? What other decisions did you see from Romney as Governor that seemed to be different than standard LDS teachings?

posted by mbogo on Nov 30, 2007 at 10:58 AM

I think that the major deviations from Mormon beliefs, was Mitt Romneys support of abortion rights under Roe VS Wade and his support of the military's," Don't ask, Don't tell," policy. He has recently reversed his opinion on abortion, and now supports abortion only in cases where the mothers health is jeopardized or cases of rape or incest. As far as I know, he has not changed his support of "Don't ask, don't tell".

I can't be sure, but his original support of legal abortion may have been influenced by  the death of a relative's wife while undergoing an illegal abortion.

My father who was a physician, always told me that women who wanted to get an abortion, were going to get one whether it was against the law or not, so why not make it available from trained physicians? My father made it sound like a pretty sensible alternative to the risks of illegal abortions. I didn't always agree with my father on everything, but I respected him and listened to his views. Years later I'm still thinking about this issue, but am more comfortable suporting abortions for medical emergencies and not just because someone requests it. Both my father and I served missions for the church, but our basically similar values didn't always lead us to the same opinions.

As far as Mitt'S role in allowing Gay Marriage in his state while governor, I'm a little confused also. It appears that he was basically against gay marriage, but the courts approved it and the legislators overwhelmingly passed it. Mitt apparently was successful in getting legislation passed that barred people from a state that that didn't allow gay marriage from being married in Massachussetts.

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