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The New Iraq Policy

In the past:

In the mid 1800's, the British and Russian governments were making sweeping advancements in Asia.  It didn't take long for the two European powers to get in each other's way, and subsequent conflicts broke out between the super powers.  This quasi-war became known as "the Great Game", focused on where the British held (of all places) Afghanistan as a buffer zone for India.  Holding onto this area became very unpopular with the British people as serious fighting broke out between the British army and the Afghani locals.  Therefore, the Liberal Party (today called the Labour Party) swept into parliament with the campaign pledge to move out of Afghanistan.  Upon taking power, however, they saw that removing troops would give the Russians an advantage, and therefore decided to go back on their promise for the good of the country.  The British stayed in Afghanistan for several years later in efforts to provide a counterbalance against the Russians, while holding onto their own ambitions.

Today:

The Democrats swept into congress two years ago riding on the assurance to end this war in Iraq.  However, Pelosi with the majority of other Democrats, have just voted for funding of this war for another full year (yet again).  Obama, campaigning to his base, has said that he would remove all combat troops from Iraq within 16 months of his administration.  Now that we are onto the general election, he has shifted his focus onto “listening to my generals” when he gets elected, and “refining my policy” after he visits the area here shortly.  This is not a flip-flop, but an obvious shift in focus that sparks serious thought.

In the future: (a prediction)

After defeating McCain, President Obama will not remove all combat troops within the 16 month deadline.  With the several successes that have come about with the surge, undermining this would be disastrous to his administration and assure his defeat at being reelected.  He realizes this, and continues to fight this out - to the utter consternation of the Moveon.org crowd.  Ultimately, pundits openly wonder if there was really any difference between McCain or Obama in terms of what either would have done in Iraq.  After all is said and done with all the campaigning and rhetoric, the President takes the responsible course of action, for the good of the country.

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posted by Ike on Sunday, July 6, 2008 at 02:42 PM
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posted by Ike on Jul 8, 2008 at 07:00 PM

Thanks Krista for standing up and debating.  You articulate yourself well, and I'm glad to delve into the issues.

Now in response. . .

Your point on the Democratic Congress:  The Democratic congress has to approve funding for the war.  The president can't veto a bill that doesn't exist; no bill, no funding.  Pelosi, with a majority of her colleges in the senate has voted to continue funding for this war for another twelve months, despite campaign pledges to end this war.  Pelosi herself is from a very anti-war district in California.  Why would she vote to give more money for this war when she suffers almost nothing politically with her constituency?  The answer (I would guess): because it’s the responsible thing to do, even if politicians campaign otherwise.

Your point of differences between McCain and Obama:  You can oppose the war from the beginning, there is clear legitimacy for that, and I can't argue against that point too much.  Do I think that we should have focused on Afghanistan instead?  Yes, probably.  BUT the invasion of Iraq happened more than five years ago, and dwelling on that point is absolutely fruitless because it’s all old news.  The real debate should be asking, “where do we go from here?”  Sure people love to quote McCain on leaving troops there for 100 years, but it isn’t really all that honest to leave off the second half of his comment: “as long as our troops aren’t being hurt.”  Your insinuation is rather misleading. I don’t see any real debates over whether or not we should be having troops in Germany, Japan, Korea or several other countries where we have been for a long, long time.  Furthermore, although far from perfect, we are finally moving in the right direction in Iraq.  If we can establish a stable democracy that acts as an ally to the war on terror, this will deal a serious blow to the bad guys.  For President Obama (elect) to suddenly undermine that – despite his pledge to move out – would destroy his presidency.  Therefore I think he will not keep his promise, and in the end his decisions will not be too different from McCain.

 

posted by Krista on Jul 8, 2008 at 12:23 PM

It is too easy to blame Congress for not acting on their promises to end the Iraqi war. However, without the veto proof majority in both chambers, Bush's unfaltering Iraqi war policy and propaganda was bound to trump the will of the people.

As to if there is a difference between McCain and Obama when it comes to the Iraq war- just look at the facts. One opposed the war since the beginning and unambiguously favors the end, the other one has pro-war stances and will not stop until victory is achieved even if it takes 100 years of our soldiers dying for a war started under false pretenses. Obama recognizes that the Taliban and Al Qaeda are the central threat to America, and that the Afghanistan theater is the battleground we need to devote our time and resources to ensure our victory in the war against terror.
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